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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 12, 2009 4:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: That's It For The Other One By Year

So much discussion about about The Dead, and appropriately so, but how about some Grateful Dead discussion for the folks too stuborn to check out the geriatrics, and those who have?

A while back, Rings & Bells had an excellent post soliciting your favorite Dark Stars by year. Lets see your favorite Cryptical/Other One suite by year...

10/22/67
11/01/68
02/28/69
04/15/70
11/14/71
10/24/72
11/14/73
02/23/74
07/17/76
05/25/77

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Poster: fireeagle Date: May 13, 2009 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Other One By Year

never liked ce. not even on the anthem. on the other hand too is 1 of my top 5 gd songs. i prefer my too w/o ce and my whiskey w/o water. also dont like suits

67-10-22
68-08-21
69-04-21 (or any of fw 4)
70-02-13
71-08-06
72-05-26 (or 09-17)
73-06-22
74-10-17
75-08-13
76-10-15
77-10-02
78-01-22 (or 10-21)
79-10-27
80-08-31
81-03-28 (or 10-15)
82-07-29
83-04-16
87-07-26
89-08-19
90-12-31
91-11-03

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: May 13, 2009 5:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

A couple of my favorites off the top of my head.

2-13-70
4-26-72

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Poster: UJB Date: May 13, 2009 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Great topic, although hard to narrow down some years!
69: 4/15/69
70: 5/2/70 (honorable mention to the short but intense 3/7/70)
71: as light into ashes said, too many to mention: 12/14/71,
11/20/71, 10/29/71 and 11/12/71
72: No favorite off the top of my head, better listen some more
73: 11/20/73
74: 5/12/74
Only a few post-retirement versions stand out for me:
87: 3/30/87 short but smoking
89: 10/20/89 10+ minute O1 jam before drums
92: 2/24/92 another 10 minute pre-drums O1 jam

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 13, 2009 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Funny you should post this Cliff because we're having some kick ass summer weather up here - full on blazing sun, barbeque and beers every night on the deck. The reason I'm mentioning this is because whenever this happens I automatically think - Anthem of the Sun. Personally I love Jerry's part - and all the children learnin from books that they were burning, and the line his mother could but frown him, Cryptic indeed! ( even though that wasn't the name of that part originally I believe, it got switched ), but anyway tonight I'm planning on putting on the suite, either a 68 or 69 with the beginning and reprise of Crytical and of course a New Potato as well. Haven't decided on which version, maybe one of those August 68's. Will probably throw in an Eleven with the William Tell intro.

As far as later Other Ones - not so much for me. Hit or miss. Sometimes I like them but often they're repetitious to me. Sorry but the theme is just too repetive without enough spark. But that's just me and I'm talking probably after 78. I prefer it as the suite but I do like when they got all spaced out and weird with it and made a huge sandwhich out of it such as 11-14.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 13, 2009 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Oh yeah...you can defn see that over time. The repetition aspect. That's why 69 lags a bit for me til Jerry and whatever causes a change in tone, etc, into 70 & 71.

So, I really go for the high energy second half of 68 versions, a number in early 69, and then a few in mid 70 and again in fall 71 when more changes spice things up...

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Poster: DanInTanzania Date: May 12, 2009 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Surely 4-15-70, as long as we include the drumz and jams in the middle

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 12, 2009 8:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

First off, nice to see you around Cliff. Been awhile. Its funny that you brought up this subject today, because I was listening to 2FTV earlier and came to the conclusion that although TOOs like the one from 2-23-74 and 5-25-77 are wonderful pieces of music, they just don't compare to the TIFTOO suites of 68-70. Dare I say it? Tell is right. Actually that wasn't so painful. I will do it again. 12-29-68 rocks!! Okay well the math tutor loves that one too. I can't say i have a favorite from '69 but I really like 2-13-70. Love that the drummers started teasing NFA and someone (Bobby?) joined in. Bobby also tries to send this one to a Spanish Jam at one point. While not a the whole suite I also like 8-6-71. MAMU never sounded so cool.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 12, 2009 9:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Whoops--hmmm, doing this repeatedly...but forgot, agree, of course, about how nice it is on TFTV as I mentioned. Again, part of that is how much I listened to it...for yrs it was the best recording I had of that fall 68 time period. Big impact on me.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 13, 2009 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Hey now--that Nov 69 is the one exception to my point above about not having many in the second half of 69 to choose from...love it.

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 13, 2009 9:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

I also like 5-26-72 and 5-26-73.

I'm still too fresh (as labeled by veggie stickers at shows)to make a go -- like some of you -- for loaded years like 72-74, even though I favor them far more than 70-71.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Jun 23, 2009 11:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

It has to be 02/28/69 for me....TC's contribution is pretty awesome in my honest opinion.

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Poster: Bob-Matthews Date: Dec 6, 2009 2:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

DS 2-28-69: and That's It For The Other One/Wharf Rat 12-14-71,
first of two nights at Hill Auditorium, Ann Arbor MI, incredible Billy drum solo; the whole night was so perfect, everything was left on, and nothing was moved between the 14th and the 15th. Funny, despite "don't change or move anything" the 15th was just OK. Goes to show, a good night comes when the music says so, not by any mere mortal or musician.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 12, 2009 9:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Yep, it's between 8-6 and 11-7 for me for the OO/M&MU too...just because I have always loved those shows and listened to them soo much. Might be there are better ones in 71, but have to go with those two for personal reasons.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 12, 2009 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Actually I don't have "favorites" selected for this but I'll list some that come to mind. It'll have to be more than one per year!

Late '67/early '68 Other Ones, I can't really list a favorite since they're all short & feisty & quite similar. August '68 is when it really blossoms. I love 8-24-68. But 10-12-68 too....
For '69 - Avalon 4-6-69 is my pick. But early '69 is the peak period for this suite - Dream Bowl 2-22, Fillmore West 2-28, the Ark 4-23, & many more....
Late '69, the Cryptical reprise withered away, but the Other One itself was getting better. 11-8-69 must be mentioned....the Other One INSIDE a Dark Star, how often did that happen?
1970 - 5-2-70 goes without saying, may be the best one. 6-7-70 is also incredible. And 4-15-70 gets honorable mention!
For 1971, pre-Keith - probably 8-14-71.
With Keith - now this is tough, starting in late '71 nearly every version is tremendous! Long & jammed-out & Keith taking them to new places & frequently veering into some cowboy tune.... Can't pick one.
Europe '72, almost all these versions are phenomenal. I've listened to 4-7 and 4-26 the most, but also incredible are 4-11, 5-7, 5-10, 5-13, 5-24 and 5-26....you get the picture.
Late '72 - I'll try to pull myself together and make some picks here.... 9-28-72, with very honorable mentions to 8-22, 9-17, 9-23, 10-19, 10-24, 11-17, 11-22, 12-10, and 12-31-72. And that's being picky! - many others are great, too. I've mentioned the unique jam in the (otherwise unremarkable) 7-25-72 Other One before - and should also note that the 9-26-72 Other One has a seven-minute gap (!) in the sbd that can only be heard in an aud patch.
1973 - is tricky, since the Other One is sometimes submerged in a series of jams.... Some good ones: 2-19, 3-15, 3-22, 6-22, 7-1, 10-29, 11-20, 12-8, and 12-19. The ones from later in the year tend to be much spacier, and downright mellow. 11-14-73 also must be mentioned because of the unique way it weaves in & out.
1974 - 6-18-74, and 2-23-74. The Other Ones later in the year tend to turn into Spanish jams, perhaps 10-17-74 is the best of those versions.
1976 - I'll second the vote for 7-17-76, maybe not so much for the Other One itself but for the jams around it. Best standalone Other One may be 10-15-76. (I'll also note that the best part of the 9-23-76 Other One is unfortunately aud-only.)
1977 - I'm very fond of 3-20-77 - but I'll second the vote for 5-13-77. Then there's 6-8-77... In the fall tour, perhaps 11-5-77 - by then, the Other One on many nights has shrunk dramatically!
I'll leave it at that....

(By the way - the post Tell linked was simply a listing of some of the more jammed-out Cryptical reprises, not really a list of the best Other Ones. I'll have a much more expanded version of that post, ummm....sometime.)

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 12, 2009 9:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Well, I don't want to tell someone what they posted, but, the modifier "simply" doesn't generally apply to your posts.

[but yeah, realzed that after I grabbed it...and of course, it is, as you noted therein, the part that gets the shaft as the years go by...I think that CLIFF posted on that very topic sometime way back when as well]

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Poster: Arck Date: Jul 6, 2009 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Does no one else think that the 21 October 78 Other One is one of the hottest post-retirement Other Ones? I think it's nuts. In fact that whole post-drums segment, including the encore (which happens to be on RTV1N4) is insanely good.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 7, 2009 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

WTF????

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Poster: roo_nyc Date: May 13, 2009 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

I've been internally griping to myself that 9/28/72 - the whole show, but especially the monstrous voyage that is TOO - gets little mention (at least for my liking). One of my all-time favorite piece of Dead.

Starts off with phil jamming with the drums, then it starts - bobby/phil take off so fast and furious that Jerry can barely keep up. Once he gets the reins, though it becomes exploratory, swells, tides, recedes, Keith adds a few tinklings, then deep space with Garcia leading, a plaintive, pinched-note solo; all before it starts back up perfectly in sync, and bobby brings it back into the first verse. From there, it's starts spiraling out of control, and when Jerry/Bobby hit the same bent note, it's all over. Garcia ascends, fanning chords, acting as shiva, and the entire thing ends in wailing feedback and a massive phil bomb. Destruction of worlds, black emptiness, tattered shards of meaning - what's left? what's even possible? and where the hell are you?

Bobby reminds you exactly where you are as the hallucinations fade - "busted flat, in Baton Rogue..."

And then right back into it, driving, garcia spiraling, almost out into space again before Weir forcefully brings it to closer.

Epic. Group mind, thematic exploration, electric chamber music. Give it a listen!!

-roo

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Jul 6, 2009 7:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Love that 9/28/72 version. Spot-on description.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: May 12, 2009 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

'68-70 is really the golden age for this piece in my book, but I'm glad to see some love for the version from the Mosque show in '77.

One early version I enjoy is 11/10/67. Not really jammed out like the more mature versions, but still pretty feisty (and with the original lyrics).

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 12, 2009 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year; LiA likes them too...

FYI, here's LiA's listing for them:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=201570

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: May 13, 2009 12:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Nice thread, tough choices. I think picking favorite TIFTOO's is even harder than choosing favorite Dark Stars. I look forward to checking out some of the recs.

1967- 10/22/67
1968- 8/22/68
1969- 3/1/69
1970- 5/2/70
1971- 12/14/71
1972- 5/10/72, 12/31/72

I thought this thread was about the SUITE, Cryptical>Other One??

After '71 Cryptical was rarely included (until briefly in 1985), but my '72 rec WITHOUT Cryptical deserves mentioning as does 12/31/72. They did a couple that year with Cryptical, but these were better!
I can't wait to check out these recs!

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2009-05-13 07:27:33

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Poster: agiustina1 Date: Jun 23, 2009 10:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

2/28/69 This was the first version I got into
5/2/70 This is my favorite
4/15/70 I really like the unique jam section
4/11/72 Part of my favorite Europe '72 concert

Does anyone know any versions of The Other One with phrases like the ones found at 4:20-4:40 and 5:00-5:24 from 5/2/70?
I know there is one on the 2/13/70 versions, but are there any others? This is one of the most intense build ups that I have heard and would really like to hear more.

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Poster: glenn Date: May 12, 2009 11:35pm
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bombomp bippa bombomp bippa ...

...bubbidabubbida bubbidabubbida
BAAAooowwwwwwwWWW!<---PhilBomb

I'll take any one of them, god I just love this song more than maybe any other Dead song, I get high just slightly thinking about it without the sound on...

I don't care at all which one... I heard this on samisen with a teen japanese girl singing it and it still made me want to jump up and down and freak out...

I have no idea why this song appeals to me so much. Give me any Other1 at all.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 12, 2009 4:41pm
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Whoa...excellent idea. Now, this will be off the top, without detailed attention to the complete version or show quality wise, but moreso from my personal listening experience of late (sorry, not familiar enough to judge before 68...pathetic, eh?):

68: 12-29 (I know it's clipped)
69: 4-22 (I know, coulda/shoulda picked Fillmore)
70: 6-7 (I know, it's odd...)
71: 11-6 (I know, incomplete)

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Poster: buscameby Date: May 13, 2009 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

I love the 10-22-67 just for the alternative early lyrics, but the one I saw that pulled my face directly from my head was 6-16-85.

Thus the name "buscameby", although the first bus stop was 10-9-77 which was a whole other story.

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Poster: BongWzrd Date: May 13, 2009 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

I'm not well versed in 68-70' when CE>TOO was scorching hot, so I cannot comment on my favorite FULL SUITE of this song, but I will go with the version without CE that really changed the way I thought about music.......Listen to what takes place after Dew, it might be one of my Top moments in GD History, what a jam!!!

05-26-72 Strand-Lyceum London,England

Truckin' >
The Other One >
Drums >
The Other One >
Jam >
Morning Dew >
The Other One > (THIS IS ONE OF THE TOP JAMS EVER)
Sing Me Back Home


http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-05-26.sbd.waddell.89641.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 12, 2009 10:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Great thread! :)

Favorite TOO WITH Cryptical: 8/20/69 (the drumming never sounded better)

Favorite TOO WITHOUT Cryptical: 5/13/77 (real turn-on-a-dime Dead here!)

This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2009-05-13 05:17:53

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 12, 2009 4:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That's It For The Other One By Year

Sorry, figured in the time it would take to listen to the average one from 68, four or five Other Ones would have posted, but I will waste this third slot by saying that Honorable Mention must go to 8-24-68 since I have listened to that one almost as many times as 12-29 and as LiA and I discussed, I really love the mix with PP going at it with Jerry.

In fact, many times I have played the little sequence, with the first set of lyrics of OOne that Bob sings, to reveal that PP and Jer could really rip it up while playing against each other in the "solo spots" provided between lyrics...

Thanks again CLIFFster...